So this is torture?
Duncan Hunter appeared on Fox News Sunday on June 12 to debate the supposed torturous activities that occur at Guantanamo Bay. Here is a excerpt of the abusive treatment the detainees are subjected to, and let me just say I am OUTRAGED!
And for people that don't understand Guantanamo, that's where we have, for example, the 20th hijacker -- the one guy that we did catch while he was on his way to meet the other hijackers. He was pushed out of the -- caught in the airport, deported. And we picked him up in a firefight in Tora Bora and realized he was the 20th hijacker.
We have, for example, Osama bin Laden's bodyguards in this location.
Now, how do we treat these people? I sent down yesterday for the menu from Guantanamo so that the average American could understand how we're brutalizing people in Guantanamo, and I've got it right here.
For Sunday, they're going to be having -- let me see -- orange glazed chicken, fresh fruit grupe, steamed peas and mushrooms, rice pilaf -- another form of torture for the hijackers. We treat them very well.
If you go back to Sunday, it looks like it's honey-baked -- or lemon-baked fish as an entree. And if you look at the food and you also look at the list that has been prepared for the Armed Services Committee which lists abuses of the -- a way that you can abuse a prisoner, feeding them the food that we feed our soldiers, that is, the MREs, which is the new C-rations, is considered actually to be a form of abuse, something probably the manufacturers of C-rations or the new rations don't agree with.
But the point is, we treat these people very well. We supply every one of them with the Koran. We supply them with oil. We supply them with prayer beads. Five times a day on the prison system, we do the call to prayer with arrows pointing in the direction of mecca and assist them in their prayer ritual.
Well, I respond very simply, not one person has been killed in Guantanamo. Mr. Gitani (ph) had so-called stressful methods applied to him. Those methods included embarrassing him, I think we saw the "Time" article this morning, having dogs nearby, which barked, did not bite.
So here you have a guy who was on his way to kill 5,000 Americans in the towers, was caught, the 20th hijacker, pushed out of the country before he could do that.
And we have people complaining because he had a dog bark at him in Guantanamo. Didn't touch him but barked at him.
Now, not one person is touched in Guantanamo. We had one sergeant who when a punch was thrown at him last July, threw a punch back. The American sergeant was busted for that. We have...
Now, let's go back to Guantanamo, because we quickly shifted the subject. Because what I said was absolutely true. Nobody has been killed in Guantanamo. If you're a guard and you touch a prisoner in Guantanamo, you're subject to an Article 15.
When you handle the Koran, which we give to all the prisoners, Koran, prayer beads -- and we broadcast their prayer over the loudspeaker five times a day -- when you handle the Koran, you have to use gloves and you have to use both hands because otherwise you would insult the Islamic faith.
So we have the legend that end that there is so-called gulag-like treatment and the reality is honey glazed chicken on Sunday, and we give them honey and dates to break the fast on Ramadan. Everybody gets...
Yes, let's clear, yeah, let's clear away the legend and go to the fact. Secretary Rumsfeld for Mr. Qahtani, the hijacker who had important information on us, perhaps who was going to hit us next, approved for about two weeks the so-called new techniques for Mr. Qahtani or the more stressful techniques.
That included embarrassing him with women's underwear. We all understand that. It includes stripping him. It included having a police dog in proximity to him but never touching him.
Mr. Qahtani was never hurt, and Mr. Qahtani tomorrow will dine on, or today will be dining on honey-glazed chicken and rice pilaf.
And so, these broad allegations are simply that, they're allegations.
You know, they've done a real disservice to this country, because nobody treats prisoners better than the United States, even the people who tried to murder and did murder 5,000 Americans at 9/11 and killed lots of our soldiers on the battlefield. We treat them better than any other country in the world.
And so the question is: How can you improve the schedule that we have? There's no allowed touching of the prisoners. You have to wear gloves if you handle their Bible, their Koran. They have a library. We're teaching them to read and write, and we give them excellent food, which is much better than our soldiers who are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
But I think one thing you should do. I think instead of using these broad terms of torture, because when we looked up the list of torture items, one of them was forcing them to eat G.I. food. That was considered torture.
MALINOWSKI: No one is saying that's torture.
HUNTER: Well, that has been stated. In fact, that is listed officially as one of the prisoner abuses that's been listed at Guantanamo.
And we don't do it, we feed them now their Islamic food. We give them honey and dates when they break fast at Ramadan. We give them prayer beads, prayer oil, all paid for. In fact, if you did that for American G.I.s and you did a call to prayer five times a day, the ACLU would sue on the basis that we've broken the separation between church and state.
So my question is we even have footprints that are painted at the prison, where guards are not to step between prayer time because they will squeak, will make noise, and bother the prisoners. How can you possibly improve that treatment for the guys who are Osama bin Laden's bodyguards and the guy who was on his way to kill 5,000 Americans, no matter where you put them?
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